Ok, I decided to take this topic to write about something I dislike. I will try and keep an open mind about it, but in the end, I don't like it anyway!
The subject is.. Twilight!
(So this is not an "I Love Twilight thing, nor is it an "I hate Twilight thing, but just thoughts that I have had on peoples arguments to the pros and cons of the book, feel free to ask if you have any questions or I am unclear, also im not pro phedofilism, necrophilia or animal sex or anything like that! If you think that please leave immidaitley because then you're probably just out to read about anti-twilight stuff and this is an "open minded, im listening to both sides" kind of post)
After being sat reading almost every post at www.mylifeistwilight.com and laughing my head of as I seriously lose hope in humanity.
I'll be discussing the main things of the pros and cons of the books and the films, (yeah, I have read all four books, once and I have seen both movies, twice (and thats just because they got Cam Gigandet and the guy who plays Carlisle is kinda good looking).
Ok.
no 1 - The texts are poorly written.
Yeah they are, Stephanie Meyer is not a very talanted writer, there are a lot of repetatings, or re writings of the same idea. The whole book's about how good looking Bella think Edward is and stuff, yeah, I can deal with that at the beginning of a relationship when you're in love, but after 3 books of it, where they have been together for 3 years, yeah, it's kinda getting old.
And the fact this actually is her wet dreams, well, I can't say this or that, it might just be a publicity stunt to get more readers and more attention to her, but if it is, that's just gross!
no 2- Edward is an abusive boyfriend and Bella brings feminism back 100 years.
Well, the fact is that they are just as bad as each other, Bella is using mental abuse on Edward too, she forces him to do stuff and says she thinks he don't love him so that he will keep telling he loves her and stuff. And leaving a girl, that's not un common, everytime a man or a woman meets someone they fall for and getting left in the "in love" phase it feels like you've lost your soulmate and the fact, you might like someone else or someone else likes you, yeah thats normal, not a "Bella-Edward-Jacob" state, that stuff happened so long before this darn books became published! Also, the stalking bit where he sits at her window, yeah creapy, but, I mean... If you always fall asleep efter your partner and are lay watching him, wouldn't that count too? Or I don't know, I don't think I would like someone sitting outside my window watching me sleep, but he did tell her kinda early and stopped, some might say hes a stalker, some not. I really don't have a strong opinion on that to be honest.
one thing we have to think of here is that Edward died in the beginning of the 1900's or something, and was brought up with different values than we have today, and even if you say he should change, some things are hard to change, and always helping Bella and stuff can be linked to chivlary. But Bella takes it just one step to far (and this is important, im not a big feminist, as Im tired of to many girls taking the feminism to far and don't let the guys get any space. Yeah Chivlary died and feminism killed it, partly). And this is also, a thing about Edward being born in the .. Well, long ago, he was probably brought up to be a gentleman!
Well, bottom line is: Edward was brought up in a way, even if he could change to be modern, some things, some values you keep for all your life, Bella takes the vain lady a bit to far, but some girls are afraid to stand on their own feet, and women ARE allowed to be as they feel like, not everyone has to be independent, thats their own choise. I would never behave like that personally, and I prefere girls who will not be independent on their guys, but if Edwards brought up that way and Bella likes it, whatever.
no 3 - Phedofilism, necrophilia, animal sex (not sure what the word for that is).
Do you actually SEE or READ Jacob does anything to the vampire baby? I can't see it in any case. Well, the idea is weird, but, in my world, phedofilism is when you touch a baby, do sexual tings to it, takes naked photos of it and that sort of stuff! And actually the thing about Jake being a wolf and calling it animal sex or something, thats just stupid, then you should not watch any vampire/werewolf movie ever made. No one actually has sex in the book except Edward and Bella, not as we know of at least (or, not that I noticed are the right words for that I guess) and that comes to the necrophilia, well, again, don't watch any vampire movie ever made, especially not Buffy the vampire slayer. Because almost everything in the Twilight series is ripped from there.
The List of things that happened in Buffy before Twilight:
*A human and a Vampire falls in Love: Buffy - Angel (has sex) & Buffy - Spike (has sex, multiple times)
*"Abusive Boyfriend": Spike tries to rape Buffy in the end of the series (Season 6 I think)
*The Vampire leaves the heart broken Human who finds a new dark creature - Angel leaves Buffy heartbroken and she turns to Spike.
*The vampires and Werewolfs don't kill each other: In Buffy, Oz don't kill Spike or Angel even if he probably would have wanted to if he could, and Jake don't kill Edward
*Vampires not drinking human blood because of "soul": Angel got cursed with a soul, Spike got first a chip then he wanted a soul on his own so they didn't kill humans, they lived of pigs blood.
Well, those are the things I can come up with right now, I have had other stuff on my mind, but this is enough I think.
List of things S. Meyer forgot when creating her vampires ( I dont care one bit if it came to her in a dream)
1. Vampires BURN in the sunlight, not sparkle, that means, they can NOT be outside at day even if it's cloudy.
I won't give you anymore reasons, all I say is read Dracula, Carmilla and watch Buffy and you will see how a real vampire works!
I really hope this whole post makes sense now.
Ok, I don't like Twilight, I think it's a poorly written piece of litterature, with unrealistic themes and to many repeatings of the same thing. The story is old and not in anyway innovative, but some people are taking both the bad and the good things WAY to far and that makes the whole thing worse as they are competing who will get the most attention, the haters or the lovers.
Feminism is brought back, yeah, an independent woman, but Edwards values are his and Bella likes them, and some feminists today are worse in that way than those anit-feminists are in the other way. Necrophilia? yeah, well then don't like vampires and hate all vampires that exist, but I don't think necrophilia is a good thing, but right now, you who argue for the fact hes a ficitonal person, forgets that he is actually a FICTIONAL person, does the necrophilia count in the same way then? I think thats up to you really, and there is no actuall evidence that Vampires are dead, they are actually UNDEAD and I think that depending on how you see, what theory you have for vampires being created this is an open question, me I think there are more of a virus spread, altering your DNA, mutating it. Animal sex, the Bella - Jake relationship, well, I don't think he knew he was a werewolf, and they are actually not animals, but not human either, so I won't get into that, thats way to complex for me, and the phedofilism, is as said before, not phedofilism until he does something, the imprinting thing could be a way around it, but as said before it's FICTIONAL and there are to many things not being correct for someone to bother about the fact imprinting is impossible, i mean, are vampires possible at all?
People need to before thay say stuff, think of the whole picture.
Me myself I will never read Twilight again as I prefere non-sparkling cool vampires with guns, who kill and drink peoples blood, or try to. I need storys that compete with the mind and are well written and deep.
This is my opinions, Im very open to hear yours and I understand the arguments of both the haters and the lovers side and I really can't be botherd with being either a hater or a lover as I see there is so much more you can do to lif than putting all your energy on that, I only wrote this becasue I want to improve my english and it seems like a hot topic.
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Hallo!
SvaraRaderaKom in här på din blogg via det du skrev på FirstClass (skräck och romantik-kursen). Och bara måste säga att allt du skriver här om Twilight är precis de saker jag har tänkt på, bland annat. Har irriterat mig hur mycket som helst på böckerna... Okej, storyn är något underutvecklad men ändå okej; man kan väl dras med i den så sett. Girl meets boy - they hook up - they encounter problems... It's the same stuff we've read a million times before.
And they aren't very well written. Meyer seems to have a somewhat limited vocabulary. Also, you're right about Bella. Yeah, Edward looks great. Get over it. Stop being such a bitch and try to manipulate him. And seriously, make up your goddamn mind - stop playing with Jake, it's cruel...
(Sen att alla vampyrer i trakten och sen också varulvarna flockas kring Bella är lite överdrivet... Att hon får alla att bry sig så herrans mycket om henne. What makes her so special? Karaktären Bella är extremt tråkig, platt och ibland riktigt otrevlig.)
And these lame-ass vampires... "I'm a monster, you should stay away from me. Nevermind, let's get married..." Jesus. Real vampires don't sparkle. Real several-century-old vampires don't go to high school and date high school girls, even if it makes them "fit in". If you're over 100 years old, what intellectual challenge can you possibly find in Bella?
Okej, nog med rabblande, haha... Det var kul att läsa att vi hade liknande tankar kring dem i alla fall! Hoppas man kan diskutera vidare kring detta i kursen, behöver lufta lite tankar kring Twilight (då min IRL-omgivning är fullständigt ointresserade av både litteratur och vampyrer...)
Ha det gött så länge // Cecilia Criswell
Hej!
SvaraRaderaVad kul att du hittade hit! :)
Jag hoppas verkligen att vi får fortsätta på ämnet under kursen, Twilight ligger ju i alla fall på listan och man kan ju i alla fall inte neka till att det är en bok som ändå har romantiska undertoner.
Utvecklade mycket av det här resonemanget i en uppsats jag skrev i sommras (tror du också läste den kursen "Vampyrer och skräck" hette den, eller så såg jag ditt namn på den som hette "Fantasylitteratur" som också gick på LNU).
Det är ett ämne som verkligen kan få folk (läs mig) upprörda, men då är jag som så många andra över 14 års ålder uppvuxen med Dracula, Anne Rice (läs... LESTAT!) och Buffy the Vampire Slayer vilket jag antar har färgat hur vi/man ser på vampyrer :)
Men ändå, roligt att du hittade hit och hoppas du fortsätter läsa mina vampyr inlägg!
Jag skulle ha läst den, men fick lite förhinder så jag blev tvungen att hoppa av innan det ens hade kommit igång... Blev lite sur över det, haha. Får hoppas att den går nästa sommar också!
SvaraRaderaTwilight måste diskuteras. Den har ju blivit populärkultur i allra högsta grad, och har romantiska undertoner. Men är det inte uppenbart vilken målgrupp den riktar sig till? Jag förstår absolut varför alla småtjejer blir tokiga över Edward, även om jag kanske inte håller med själv, haha...
Har bokmärkt bloggen, i vilket fall. :D
Tills vidare // CeeCee
Haha, ja 14 åriga tjejer och 37 åriga mammor... Typ ;) Intressant där tycker jag :P
SvaraRaderaFast jag måste ju säga att jag inte förstår riktigt varför de blir, i filmen kan jag förstå, Rob Patz är ju inte sådär jätteful precis, men annars förstår jag inte. Men jag skyller det på Spike :P
Hoppas för din skull den går nästa sommar, det var lite skönt att få välja att skriva en uppsats om det ämne man ville. Annars tycker jag att det är så extremt inrutat i vanliga fall på A-nivå. Men det här var ganska kul faktiskt! :)
Ska läsa Harry Potter och Vampyrfiktion i sommar om jag kommer in, och en om mytologi. Känns som en lite brokig samling där... xD
/Sanna